Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

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Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby Muda69 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:35 am

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012 ... on-yearly/

To many in the tech world, the idea that patent trolls are bad for business is a no-brainer. But just how bad? Two academics who have spent a large amount of time studying the damage patent trolls do, James Bessen and Michael Meuer, have released a new study arguing that trolls are costing the economy $29 billion a year in direct costs.

If you think you recently read a different number about the costs of patent trolling—a substantially higher one—you did. An earlier study by the same two academics measured indirect costs of patent troll lawsuits, using public companies' stock prices as a proxy for the damages. That study found those costs to be about $83 billion annually.

It's not surprising that the two numbers would be different or that the first one would be significantly higher, study author Michael Meurer explained in an interview. "Based on previous research, we thought the gap between the two might be even larger than it was," he said.

The $29 billion number comes from measuring the more straightforward costs associated with fighting off patent troll suits: those include legal fees going to lawyers, and the licensing fees paid in tribute to make the trolls go away (which nearly always get paid). The findings come from a relatively small sample of 83 companies, both small and large.

The study paints one of the clearest pictures yet of the impact patent trolls—more politely called non-practicing entities or "NPEs"—are having on the economy.

Even if the numbers are inflated, there's little doubt those costs are significant. The total spending of US businesses on research and development is $247 billion per year. So even if one only considers the direct costs of patent trolls, they may be sucking up more than 10 percent of the money that could be spent on R&D.


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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby NHPats2011 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:50 am

Muda69 wrote:http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/new-study-same-authors-patent-trolls-cost-economy-29-billion-yearly/

To many in the tech world, the idea that patent trolls are bad for business is a no-brainer. But just how bad? Two academics who have spent a large amount of time studying the damage patent trolls do, James Bessen and Michael Meuer, have released a new study arguing that trolls are costing the economy $29 billion a year in direct costs.

If you think you recently read a different number about the costs of patent trolling—a substantially higher one—you did. An earlier study by the same two academics measured indirect costs of patent troll lawsuits, using public companies' stock prices as a proxy for the damages. That study found those costs to be about $83 billion annually.

It's not surprising that the two numbers would be different or that the first one would be significantly higher, study author Michael Meurer explained in an interview. "Based on previous research, we thought the gap between the two might be even larger than it was," he said.

The $29 billion number comes from measuring the more straightforward costs associated with fighting off patent troll suits: those include legal fees going to lawyers, and the licensing fees paid in tribute to make the trolls go away (which nearly always get paid). The findings come from a relatively small sample of 83 companies, both small and large.

The study paints one of the clearest pictures yet of the impact patent trolls—more politely called non-practicing entities or "NPEs"—are having on the economy.

Even if the numbers are inflated, there's little doubt those costs are significant. The total spending of US businesses on research and development is $247 billion per year. So even if one only considers the direct costs of patent trolls, they may be sucking up more than 10 percent of the money that could be spent on R&D.


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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby dd » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:52 am

You didn't even bother to read the article, huh?

Are you just pre-programmed for certain responses? If so, you should reconsider, as this is one of those times your canned responses make you sound exceptionally stupid.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby NHPats2011 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:58 am

dd wrote:You didn't even bother to read the article, huh?

Are you just pre-programmed for certain responses? If so, you should reconsider, as this is one of those times your canned responses make you sound exceptionally stupid.



I was responding to this "Corruption and greed. Another reason IWTBF". Of course that is Muda's "canned response" and yet you have no problem with that. And yes, Muda wants for free the fruits of others' labor.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby madchemist » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:59 am

dd wrote:You didn't even bother to read the article, huh?

Are you just pre-programmed for certain responses? If so, you should reconsider, as this is one of those times your canned responses make you sound exceptionally stupid.



And after reading the article what conclusion did you come to? It's obvious that one again Muda was to be able to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor. If these companies are infringing on someone's patent then they should pay.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby Muda69 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:01 am

NHPats2011 wrote: And yes, Muda wants for free the fruits of others' labor.


Only if they are willing to provide such 'fruits' so they can be enjoyed, improved upon, and then re-released back into the public for another round of improvements.

You hate concepts like the the open source movement, don't you?
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby NHPats2011 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:04 am

madchemist wrote:
dd wrote:You didn't even bother to read the article, huh?

Are you just pre-programmed for certain responses? If so, you should reconsider, as this is one of those times your canned responses make you sound exceptionally stupid.



And after reading the article what conclusion did you come to? It's obvious that one again Muda was to be able to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor. If these companies are infringing on someone's patent then they should pay.



DD doesn't have anything of susbtance to offer. She merely sits on the sidelines and taked pot shots at those on the field. And she limits those pot shots to those with opposite political persuasions.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby dd » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:08 am

Hey - I offered you a challenge. Apparently you haven't the sack to accept, so I'll continue to give you the only thing you're known to be good for here.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby NHPats2011 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:11 am

dd wrote:Hey - I offered you a challenge. Apparently you haven't the sack to accept, so I'll continue to give you the only thing you're known to be good for here.


What challenge?
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby dd » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:12 am

madchemist wrote:It's obvious that one again Muda was to be able to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor.


Right, because a patent troll came across said patent by the fruits of his or her own labor.

It's a shame someone as intelligent as you, can't be bothered to be intellectually honest.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby Porterhouse » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:13 am

Anyone care to guess how much of that $247 billion dollars/year in R&D money, along with the associated jobs, disappears with the elimination of patent law?
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby dd » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:14 am

NHPats2011 wrote:What challenge?


I guess you have to actually read posts, rather than having stock troll responses ready.
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby Muda69 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:17 am

madchemist wrote:It's obvious that one again Muda was to be able to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor.


Why don't you tell me, pray tell, exactly what 'fruit of someone else's labor' I have been able to enjoy lately?

My mother-in-law gave me a few jars of green beans from her garden a couple of weeks ago. Does that count?
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby Porterhouse » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:51 am

Porterhouse wrote:Anyone care to guess how much of that $247 billion dollars/year in R&D money, along with the associated jobs, disappears with the elimination of patent law?


Anyone?
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Re: Patent trolls cost economy $29 billion yearly

Postby SomeGuy555 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:55 am

I don't object to the existence of patents per se, but I have a definite problem with generic patents that cover swaths of technologies, especially when the person holding the patent didn't invent the technology in the first place, knows that prior art exists, but engages in frivolous lawsuits forcing companies to spend outlandish piles of money getting the patent invalidated. That's what "the market" is "supposed" to do--weed out the inefficient trolls by paying to invalidate their patents. Usually, though, what happens is the company grumbles a bit, writes a letter to the editor, and then quietly pays the troll off rather than risking financial ruin by going to court against a well-heeled filer of hundreds of frivolous lawsuits. Troll then lathers, rinses, and repeats until he has enough money to go after a bigger-fish like Apple.

The way the scam works is this: Although Samsung is very large, normally patent troll lawsuits are directed as extortion-attempts at businesses that are too small to defend themselves.... Think startup tech firms, specifically, Pats. Are you sure there isn't some troll out there with a submarine patent waiting to pounce on you and steal the fruits of your hard work? How do you know? A patent search doesn't reveal "filed but not processed" patents, so even a dilligent entrepreneur can run afoul of one of these submarine patents.

Samsung can afford to defend itself against this attempt to stop a competitor, could you defend yourself against a determined patent troll who didn't even have a product to market, just ownership of a patent on something he didn't invent, and enough money to front out for the lawyers to tie you up in court indefinitely?

That's what patent trolling is all about, and trying to say people opposed to it "just want free shit" is narrow-minded, and in your case Pats, self-defeating. Will you feel the same way when it is your business being extorted?

Finally, it is a straw-man to suggest that anybody wants to "Eliminate all patent law." That's false: The movement is for REFORM of patents to make them encourage innovation, rather than discourage it by any but the most well-heeled megacorporations. But if we don't reform, that's where we're headed: The megacorps will be the only ones who can afford to defend the patent-troll lawsuits.
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